The "Bang Bang" rule

[Shipmate]

Many people are familiar with the bang bang rule, when upon turning a corner or entering a room some people yell bang bang. I have come to relize that most people are abusing this rule. In a CQB people should only use bang bang when a person is two gun-lengths away or so. In some cases people will try to say bang bang when entering a heavily gaurded room, or run through rooms shouting bang bang. In senerios like that, its wrong. I feel as if someone calls bang bang on you, you have a choice to call out or to remain in the game. Half the time they have no shot on you anyway, and they are just looking for an easy kill....

[Nathan]

Typically I think the "Bang Rule" works when someone is caught completely off guard. In CQB it is incredibly difficult to go head to head and think that this will work well.

[Owen]

Having scars from non-bang-bang hits, I'd have to say I'm a fan of the Bang-Bang rule. However,I have caught Myself screaming "bang-Bang" while entering a room. But this is also in conjunction with my holding down the trigger on full-auto. I will admit "Bang Bang" does get alittle off the wall when someone peeks their face around the corner, has their gun halfway around the corner, while your gun is raised, but wins when he says "Bang Bang" first when he has no clean shot. But such is the negative of almost any rule.

I will admit, I did take advantage of the bang-bang rule once... I was hunkered down in the bunker at AA, reloading, and someone came down the stairs, looked at me and just went "Aw man" when I stuttered out "Bang bang!", with my clip out, and my mag-well out of sight.

Only happened once, and I have done the "five yard Bang-Bang" and I got five BBs in the chest and a firm; "Too far for Bang-Bang". Hey, He was right? I hurried back to the Spawn point and came rushing in screaming "Bang Bang Bang Bang!" and holding down full auto.

Bang-Bang rules are a touchy subject as Jarhead will probably add to our conversation, Either Bang-Bang rules are too loose... Or too strict and people get cuts or divots out of their skin. It's that ever so hard to grasp Median bettween the two we gotta try for.

[James]

Playing at Direct Action in September only solidified my disinclination to use "bang bang." At EAG's field, they do not honor the "bang bang" rule. If you try to "bang bang" someone, they will just turn around and knife you or mag dump your face. I guess it reinforces the brutal realism they try to follow there. You can check out their ROE page to get an idea of what kind of milsim game these guys run.

I personally have never found a use for the "bang bang" rule. If I "kill" someone, I want to make sure they feel it. I will shoot them no matter how close they get and I expect them to do the same to me. If I'm close enough to them where it would be "dangerous" I will use either my pistol or knife. Chances are if I'm that close I won't be able to bring my long arm to bear in time anyways.

[Michael "Kuroneko" Miller]

I have to agree with Nathan on this one. While I often see the Bang Bang rule abused to hell, it is still an important safety feature. It should only be used when firing at such a close range (one better measured in inches rather than feet) that it could cause actual injury to the recipient. However, I have found myself preferring to fire at close range when making split second decisions rather than Bang Bang simply due to people refusing to accept them.

[Jeff]

I use the Bang rule because I personally have felt and have scars from someone who didn't follow proper woodland engagement distances. I got shot in the mouth by Kurt's M14 SOCOM from 3 feet away. It was shooting around 400 I think, and standard WPA engagement distance for that is 10. It broke my lip in half.


I can get pictures for those who think the Bang Bang rule isn't for them.


As far as CQB: When I come rushing into a room I know if full of people, I know I am going to get lit up. HOWEVER, AIRSOFT ASSAULT ASKS YOU TO USE THE BANG BANG RULE to avoid such injuries. When you are playing on someone else's property, you should obey their rules. On my field, I leave it open for the player to decide... you have the option to surrender, but if you reach for your gun... the attacker can do what is needed. But at AA, they say right in the beginning briefing that every new player gets that you should respect the Bang Bang rule.


As far as bang banging in a crowded room and all those people taking it... I don't ask that they do. Never. If it is crowded, I'm not going in without another person and we are breaching with military tactics to begin with. But if for some reason I do go in alone... I ask that the FIRST PERSON i looked at and said bang bang should be out, because that would have been the natural order of things.

Look, airsoft is all about having fun and playing the sport with people who have honor and stuff like that. I can tell you right now when blood was pouring out of my lip, I wasn't having fun, nor was the guy who shot me because he broke rules.

[Jeff]

And Mike, as to the people who refuse them, that would depend... again... on the field. At Airsoft Assault... if they don't take the hit, I keep moving because it is a field rule that they explain in the beginning. They are out whether they wanna be or not.

[Michael "Kuroneko" Miller]

Be that as it may, but without any kind of enforcement it doesn't matter. They will keep shooting and taking out other people who have no idea they should be out.

[goose]

yup, it's long lost goose.
Just another Airsoft "honor rule" that get's abused and misunderstood.

From what I understand with the bang rule is that it's VERY similar to the surrender rule. You have to have a clear shot, your aeg should be pointing in the direction of the target and there is a engagement distance that should be stated prior to game play. You can not be running passed an emplacement and bang out an entire team or even one individual. That's just ludicrous and plain BS. Can't have anything obstructing your shot (view) either.

here we go from Lionclaws: http://www.oplionclaws.com/fieldcombatrules.html

2.6 "BANG BANG!"

2.6.1 If a player enters a close range situation where firing his weapon could result in unnecessary harm to an opposing player, AND he/she has the target "dead to rights," use the "Bang, Bang!" rule.

2.6.2 "Bang, Bang!" is a safety call ONLY. It is NOT a way of killing someone tactically.

2.6.3 If a player says .Bang, Bang!. to you, you should honor the call and immediately pull out your red rag. If said player was particularly sneaky, it is appropriate to honor the kill by "quietly dying" to not give away that player's position.

2.6.4 Do not use "Bang Bang!" in a situation where it could be disputed by a fellow player. If you do not have the target "100% no chance of survival/dead", closer than 15 feet from behind the opposed player, do not say "Bang, Bang!". DO NOT:

EX 1: You see multiple players from a distance, run though the group yelling "Bang Bang!" at everyone.

EX 2: You are hidden behind a bush, and opposed player approaches from the front. You call out "Bang Bang!" before he/she reacts.

EX 3: You come around a bush and immediately face to face with another player less than 10 feet from you. DO use PARLAY (2.7) instead.

[Christopher "Hoytie" Hoyt]

Hmm...I feel like this is tilting towards death here, and I hate to necro but! I've always been a big supporter of the Bang Bang rule, because let's face it. There's some scary guns. I've gone through AA with a G&G UMG with Li-Po against a kid in a t-shirt. I gave him the choice, to surrender or go head to head and I think that's what the Bang Bang should be. Anyone can say Bang Bang, but quite honestly, if we looked at this as real life, if I jumped out and said Bang Bang to a terrorist, bank robber or (Insert Sinister being), I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be like AWWW MAN BACK TO RESPAWN! That's not to say I've never used the Bang Bang Rule. I just think it should be one of those things like, if I'm coming round a corner and someone shoots and I say, wait! we can bang bang it or we can shoot.

A choice is always present in airsoft. It's airsoft, so there's no life or death situations.

[Bob Courtney]

I was never a big fan of the so called "bang-bang" rule.Theses guns aren't THAT powerful where one would get hurt at close range if you shot them in the body or legs.I've been shot at very close range years ago playing paintball,and it didn't bother me one bit. Plus going around yelling bang-bang is kinda gay don't you think??
Bob

[Jeff]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/johnblewitt/jolerslip.jpg


That's what happens when someone tries to shoot you in the body or legs... and misses at close range.


That was with a gun firing around 350 FPS at a distance of about 4 feet. I'm lucky I didn't lose a tooth.

[Michael "Kuroneko" Miller]

http://www.airsoftica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/bbdamage21.jpg